At approximately 4:45AM Sunday, September 25, 2005, a collective of approximately 100 activists from around the nation surrounded the Mayflower Hotel in Washington, D.C. Multiple affinity groups were able to effectively communicate in order to delay many delegates from easily being transported to the World Bank meeting.

Joe Sacco, of Las Vegas, was standing in the crosswalk at approximately 6:15AM at 17th St. and L when a grey/silver SUV (Washington D.C. plate DW7274) approached the intersection. The motorist came to a full stop about 4 feet away from Sacco. The driver then accelerated and proceeded to hit the activist. Sacco flipped up onto the hood of the vehicle in an attempt to prevent being pulled under and run-over.

The driver, seemingly a private citizen, then drove at high speeds 8 blocks to 9th St. and L. Sacco screamed and pleaded for safety while gripping the windshield wipers for dear life. The man finally came to a stop and let Sacco off the vehicle.

Street medics on the scene comforted Sacco as he was in a state of shock. Legal observers caught the incident on video and several people reported the license plate number to legal aid. Sacco is going to pursue criminal charges and a civil case. He will be speaking with a lawyer soon. And, he plans to be seen at a local hospital for neck, back and shoulder pains.

Due to the blocked intersections, delegates were escorted on foot by police down the streets to shuttles and limos. The activists also walked along their sides exposing the truth to them- how the World Bank and its economic polices plunder resources, devastate ecosystems and exploit disempowered workers.

The direct action was non-violent and decentralized, yet the swarming clusters of affinity groups successfully held the intersections for about 4 hours directly impacting the September 25th World Bank Meeting.

D.C.---

E-mail me if you witnessed the incident.

Joe..this is incredible!! i cant believe this shyt!!!

did ne newz outlet pick it up?? we didnt hear ne thing here. post a link up as soon as u find one.. i cant believe this didnt make it to the ap and that they didnt run with this story across the country!! u kno, once the press knoz those vidz are out there, they'd buy them up to air that kind of sensationalizm... bein dragged 8 blocks?? psht!! they'd luv that story!! and with video!! get on it!! or have someone else if yor too messed up..

keep us informed!!!

sorry.. i was a little floored there with this..

and i hope yor well and have a full recovery..

sorry..

Jesus, Joe ..! Are you OK?

Man ... maybe now ain't the best time to point out the following irony, but it does strike me as a bit odd how it was an SUV--of all vehicles--that hit you. We the people need a Greenpeace version of FDR's New Deal as of yesterday, so it was almost as if that SUV suddenly became sentient and struck back! Maybe IT sensed you were trying to bring about its obsolescence!

Burning fossil fuels heats the planet like a greenhouse ... when the planet is heated, polar ice melts ... when polar ice melts, all that extra water's gotta go SOMEWHERE, and guess which city this extra water wound up at during the first week of September, 2005 ..? So it is, at least indirectly (indirectly, as in how Marvel Comics' Kingpin may not have ever squeezed any triggers, but he's obviously HIRED hitmen like Bullseye, etc.), the fault of the oil elite and all its supporters.

Just this morning, I heard on the news that Chrysler was gonna release a new kind of SUV that was SMALLER (oooh, BIG deal) ...

I'm so sorry that happened to you, Joe. Come home soon.

http://www.socialistworker.org/2005-2/555/555_04_Environment.shtml

"While hurricanes are a natural phenomenon, Massachusetts Institute of Technology climatologist Kerry Emanuel recently found that major storms in both the Atlantic and the Pacific have increased in duration and intensity by about 50 percent since the 1970s--a trend linked to the increases in average ocean surface temperatures and global atmospheric temperatures during the same period ... There’s no doubt that massive Hummers and other luxury super-SUVs are obnoxious, pollution-causing status symbols that serve no purpose except to flaunt wealth."

If its true, this is an interesting and moving story. However, as someone who has seen a good deal of Joe's self-aggrandizing and grandstanding, I'm more than a little dubious as to the veracity of this description.

Some of us have, for example, known Mr. Sacco to take an incident in which a female who was much smaller than him brusquely brushed past his backpack turned into what he phrased as a "violent attack" of which he was the terribly abused "victim."

See, Joe really really cares about little else than being in the spotlight and getting lots and lots of personal attention. And he isn't past over dramatizing events to try and magnify that effect. For all I know of Joe what really happened was someone in an SUV drove near him and gave him a dirty look, and Joe just dramatized from there.

Am I perhaps being too harsh? Maybe. I'm willing to say that what he describes is not impossible, and MAYBE it happened like he said. But personally, until I see the video I'll take it with a grain of salt . . . and continue wondering if Mr. Sacco paid his way to DC partially with the money he stole from a local anti-war group.

All I have to say is:

HAHAHAHhahahahAHHAHAHAhahahahahAHHAHAHAHahahahaHAHAHAHAhahahahAHAHAHAHhahahahHAhahahahAHHAHAHAHhahahah

Did you put fake blood on yourself for effect?
hahahahhahahhahHAHAHA

I'll buy it when I see proof... Show video and I'll retract my laughter... until then..

HAHAHAHAhahahahAHHAHAHahahahaHAHAHAHhahahah (points finger) ahhahahahahHAHAHahahahah
(shakes head) hahahahah

(bubble over head forms and thoughts poor out saying WHAT A DUMBASS) hahahahhahaha

Maybe if you got you stupid ass off the street you souldnt get run over fool.

Picture of SUV striking Las Vegas activist

"Right Winer," what a name. Fitting, in a way, for a motherfucker who obviously ain't got a lick of fucking sense. Get "off the street"? Joe was PROTESTING*, you inbred retard!

I tell ya whut, Bubba, Jethro, or whatever your REAL name is: All in the name of keeping YO' spoiled ass from EVER feeling the LEAST bit distressed, us leftists will just sit at home and stay "off the street" next time there's a crisis ... THAT way, YO' dumb ass will be the FIRST one to gets drug off to some camp when shit gets SO bad due to a lack of protest*. How's that classic quote go?

http://www.serendipity.li/cda/niemoll.html

In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up (or block traffic from time to time, huh?).

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[Before the show, Jason Halprin gets the audience fired up.]

Jason: Alright everyone! Are you ready for the greatest show of all time? This is going to be a good one. Before the show starts, I like to get to know the audiences, does anyone want to introduce themselves?

Lyla: Well, I'll go first, I guess. I just can't wait for this business to be over with, there's a fucking war going on and we need to ... well ...

Jason: Ok, that's great. Welcome to the show, Lyla. Anyone else?

Mom: Yeah, I'll go next. My son is a loving and caring person. He may make some wrong decisions, but his heart is definitely in the right place. That's my son, by the way, Joe Sacco. I'm frightened for him but am more upset that these people get to control the whole show! For people who seek peace, these people really tend towards violence. I don't like it one bit.

Jason: Wow, it's great to have you in the audience today. Ok, who's next?

Dave Peter: I'm next. I'm a union steward for the SEIU and a military vet. I'm looking forward to seeing Joe Sacco hang for what he's done. For too long liberals and many on the left have refused to deal with the Palestinian right to return to their homeland. Oppression of the Palestinians by Israel is not some sacred cow that should be ignored by progressive people. Let the show begin!

Rick: i have a crush on somebody!! sssssshhhhHH!!! dont tell nebody!!

Genelle: Um, I'll go next. Dave, what are you talking about? I agree with Mom and Lyla. They're both right. It's obvious that something needs to change here, I mean, look at who's in control here?

Lyla: Yeah, right on. I totally agree.

Mom: Well ... I agree too.

Rick: and people!! remember to wash yor handz after u use the restroom facilities, eh? thaz just plain gross!!

Jason: And you know I agree, but I'm just the facilitator here, uh, I mean the fire-up-the-audience guy. Anyway, I'm gonna have to go off to work now, so the show's about to begin ... [music gets louder, lights turn on] ... Be Good To Each Other ...

Mikeal: Hi and welcome to the Anti-Joe Sacco show. I'm your host, Mikeal Lowery. Our game today is to see who can give the best reasoning for why we shouldn't support Joe Sacco and why we might want to corner him in a back alley and beat the shit out of him after the show. But, we'll get to the prizes later.

Our first contestant is my lovely wife, Alana. She's been an activist for a long time now and I'm real proud of her. Alana, what do you think we should do to our old comrade Mr. Sacco?

Alana: First and foremost, we must think of the proletariat. The working class must be liberated from the horrible oppression we suffer everyday. We must be willing to fight back if we have to and we must fight back to win! Joe isn't worth the ground I walk on. He's not a part of the working class. No, in fact, he's not oppressed at all. I think we should teach Joe a lesson about the Revolution he'll never forget. Speaking of Revolution, have you read Bob Avakian's new paper?

Mikeal: Why yes I have, Alana. Thanks for asking. Bob Avakian actually sponsors this show! It's like one big happy family here at the Anti-Joe Sacco show. Anyway, our next contestant is Saab Lofton. Saab, what do you think about Joe?

Saab Lofton: Did you read February 3rd, 2005 column?

http://www.lasvegascitylife.com/articles/2005/02/03/opinion/fear_no_evil/fearnoevil.txt

I've said it all before, we need to have all types of people doing as much as possible if we want to make this revolution successful. Fame is the name of the game, without it, we ain't got nothing. You better believe we need to support Joe Sacco. And to Alana, no way. If you don't support Joe, YO' dumb ass will be the FIRST one to gets drug off to some camp when shit gets SO bad due to a lack of support.

Mikeal: Saab, that's all the time we have for your comments, I'm sorry but there's just no time left.

Saab: But, hold on, I just need to make one more point. See, Joe Sacco's been...

Mikeal: No Saab! I said, that's enough. Now, let's move on to our third and final contestant, Mike Swecker. Mr. Swecker, as the only other white man on the show today, what do you think about all this talk regarding Joe Sacco?

Mike Swecker: Thanks for asking. I'm delighted to be on the show and I also wanted to let everyone know about my own show, "It's a Mike Life" that airs every Wednesday night at 7:30 p.m. Is Bob in the audience tonight? Bob, are you out there tonight? Hi, yes, I see you. Meet me after the show and I can get you some IMC stickers! Ok, about Joe, you know, I don't really care. I mean, I care, but I know Joe is doing the best he can and he's not really harming anyone but himself. He's being more-or-less nonviolent, so I support him. By the way, here's a poem I just wrote...

Mikeal: Thanks Mike, but we don't have time for that poem.

Mike: Well, let me just give you the link then, just click here: http://lasvegas.staughton.indypgh.org/news/2005/09/3080.php

Rick [from the audience]: That poem alwayz makes me sad!!! :(

Mikeal: Now it's time for the best part of the show. It's time to see who wins. Before we get to the winner, let's do a brief summary of what just happened. Alana spoke elegantly about the need to think about a proletariat revolution and in the same breath denounced Joe Sacco, bravo. Saab informed us about his feelings regarding cooperation and supporting one another and suggests we let Joe off the hook one more time.

Saab: Actually, Mikeal, I didn't get to finish what I was saying, Joe is a ...

Mikeal: Saab, once again, we don't have any more time to listen to you, this is the Anti-Joe Sacco Show, not the Saab Lofton Show. To finish the summary and move on, Mike Swecker graciously informed us of how Joe's nonviolent stance can basically be his shield from any harm or criticism. And now, let's go to our panel of esteemed judges to find out who's our winner. Judge number one is Pete Reilly, an activist straight out of San Diego, who do you think our winner should be tonight?

Pete: I love the show so far, it's radical. I want to let everyone know about my new house. It's a great place, we're really living the movement. Anyways, number 1 of what I DON'T do: I don't pander to liberal bullshit. Organizing needs to be the main focus of any decision I make and from what I've heard so far, Alana's the only contestant who's actually doing anything for the movement. I'm going to pick Alana as our winner tonight, Mikeal.

Mikeal: Thanks Pete. Are we still on for that party later tonight?

Pete: Hell yeah! Oh, and here is number 4 of what I DO do: I believe in having fun. I believe you need a sense of humor. This is fun.

Rick [from the audience]: does nebody know where i can get cheap cds? i luv musik! one of my all-time favorite songs is "hey jude" by the beatles.. itz sooOooOOO groovy!! also, im lookn for a hawt 20-25 yo boy for long-term, meaningful relationship.. or just a quickie.. whatev..

Mikeal: Great. The next judge is Donald Rilea. Ok Donald, what do you ... wait a minute ... It looks like Donald has been replaced ... by, let me see ... well, it's Bob Avakian! Welcome to the show, Bob. I'm really glad you are able to sit in on our panel. You're one of the greatest leaders of our time, what do you think about Joe Sacco?

The Great and Honorable Bob Avakian: I think the guy's got spunk. His heart is in the right place but his head is all screwed up with that anarchist and liberal propaganda. We need a revolution that's broad, that truly covers the full spectrum of oppression and exploitation. Alana said it best that we must always consider the proletariat first because they're the ones that keep us going. With that said, it's clear that Joe needs to be taught a lesson for his inability to keep the proletariat first in his mind and actions. Practice leads to theory and theory to practice, you know. I don't care what you do to him, but make sure he falls in line when you're done. And I'm confident Marx, Lenin, and Mao would all agree.

Mikeal: Excellent! Beautiful! That was marvelous. That's why you're our leader! We only have one panel judge remaining, and this is a special judge, please allow me to introduce Debra Sweet, the famed organizer of the "Not in Our Name" movement and organizer of the upcoming November 2nd World Can't Wait day of action. Debra, what do you think about Joe Sacco and his right to live?

Debra: I'm glad to be on the show. Thanks for having me. Joe Sacco reminds me of myself when I was younger, believe it or not. I can't imagine how many game shows popped up about me back then. Most of them from lunatic right wingers, but they were game shows none-the-less. So, I can sympathize with the guy. Joe's doing what he thinks is best and for that, I think I'm going to abstain from this game show and let you all make the decision for me. I just don't know the guy well enough, that's all.

Christina Shane: Fuck that! Joe's not getting off that easy. Mikeal, let me be the judge and I'll crucify the motherfucker!

Rick [from the audience]: plantz are ppl too!! wait.. what? ok.. ignore this one!!

Debra: Alright, that sounds ok to me. I mean, I don't want to get all up in your local politics. Before I step down and let Christina get up here, let me just remind you all of http://www.worldcantwait.org and the November 2nd day of action. Ok, I'm outta here.

Mikeal: I don't know if we can make that change. Do we have permission from the owner of the station? Ah, hell, you know what, fuck the owner. I say it's ok so let's do it. Christina, what are your thoughts regarding the contestants?

Christina: First of all, Alana, you rock! I'm so happy to be friends with you. The other two, you both are Bourgeo ... whatever the fuck that word is, you're that. Alana's the only person speaking any sense out of all the contestants, so it looks as though Joe Sacco's gonna be taking a short walk off a long ... no wait, is that a short walk off a or a long walk ... whatever, he's going down!

Mikeal: Right you are, Christina. It appears that our judges have chosen Alana to be our winner. Thank you all for being here as this is one of the best shows of my life, that's for sure. Since Joe Sacco is known for his love of free speech, his punishment hereby declared by me, is for him not to speak or express himself in any way for ten years. And since allowing Joe to roam freely in these next ten years lends him many opportunities to express himself, I sentence Joe Sacco to an equivalent prison sentence. Furthermore, if anyone decides to protest this decision, I've arranged for Bob Avakian's Revolutionary Communist Party to publicly humiliate everyone involved in said protest.

Saab: Mikeal, don't you think that's a bit too harsh? I mean, the guy only ...

Mikeal: And that's enough out of you. For that, you'll be sitting in the cell next to Mr. Sacco. Guards, please come and take Mr. Lofton away.

Saab (screaming as he's being taken away): See, I told you this would happen, see my latest commennntttt: http://lasvegas.staughton.indypgh.org/news/2005/09/3102_comment.php#3122

Mikeal: That's all for this week's show, have a nice night, and when you're sleeping in your cozy bed in your expensive house one night and you hear the sound of explosions in the distance, you'll know your time has come. See ya next time and thanks for reading!

[increase music, roll credits]

Lyla: That show wasn't too bad except for Joe and Saab being sentenced to prison. Oh well, we'll send them some books.

Mom: Yeah, I know a great website they can be a part of, it's the anarchist black cross website. I'm gonna miss Joe.

Genelle: We need to do something, I'll set up the website, and start making phone calls, and create a database of all the ...

[cut to commercial]

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Thanks to all my friends, allies, and others whom have expressed their concerns of my well-being. I am going to be okay, physically and mentally. It was an exhausting, yet exhilirating time spent in D.C.

I have many more stories to share with you all. When I get back to Las Vegas, I will write some more Indymedia articles. Over 300,000 people took action in D.C.- quite a lot of diversity too.

And, sorry to disappoint my "fans"- my publishings will not all be self-promoting tales of unsurpassed individual heroism and radical bravery. I plan to write about all the other activists from around the world that converged upon D.C. to say no to war.

I'm also really pleased to hear that the Peace Now rally was a huge sucess in Las Vegas. Although I also heard that the local anarchists were systematically restricted from expressing their viewpoints- despite all the flyering and outreach they committed to.

Maybe, in the future, the "anarchist-punk-youth" will break away from the centralized and censoring force of Peace Now and self-organize some really effective decentralized actions in Las Vegas- DIY style.

The Anti-Joe Sacco Show was hilarious! When is the next episode? This piece of entertaining and some-what painfully-true satire should be printed and made into a zine! I'm glad it's not copyright-protected. I might just steal it and PIM (Print-It-Myself)! LOL.

To Be Continued...

JOE

Absolutely a work of art!

"A tyrant... is always stirring up some war or other,
in order that the people may require a leader." Plato

"Beware of the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever
pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry, [who] infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How will I know? For this I have done. And I am Julius Caesar."

That was funny, the long "anti-joe sacco" bit.
Good writing, and funny. Entirely right? No.
But creative and funny. A compliment to whomever was witty enough to come up with that.

Its good to laugh at myself, even at my own expense.

By the way, using things like someone's last name, when they have not used it themselves here is a huge violation of the editorial policy. I'm not intersted in pursuing it, as I'm not obsessed with trying to hide my identity . . . but it is inconsiderate, cowardly, and innaproprate. Especially when the article in question was posted anonymously. Out others without outing yourself? Cowardly and closeted . . I should expect it from those defending homophobes like Sacco.

"Hey guys, he's a fag!!" comes the voice unidentified from the crowd . . . another closeted shithead not identifying themselves. Very brave. Way to go.

Witty. Cowardly, homophobic, maybe racist . . . . but witty.
Expected better . . . no, guess not.

interesting
by Anonymous, but am I really? Tuesday September 27, 2005 at 05:06 AM

spin, deceive, lie, and twist. This thread has nothing to do with homophobia or gays. Why do you bring that into the mix? Is this one of those debate tactics?

I just brought it up?
Read the "sacco show" post and see how many of the attempts at humor are in fact attempts to use stereotypes of people and their gender or sexual orientation, etc. We all know if a woman can't express herself exactly as well as some men in the group its just that she's one of those ditzy females, right, and thats a valid way to make cracks at them, right? And strong outspoken women are just bitches, another great stereotype to play up. And if you look, I am not the one who first raised sexuality as an issue . . . the original "Sacco show" post did. Read it and see that one of the mockeries specifically refrences sexual preference.

Short of having Saab's character eating fried chicken, I'm not sure how many more stereotypes would be possible.
This peace plays partly on an excess of knowledge about the people involved, and partly on predefined stereotypes about certain types of people.

Since no one wants to claim their crafted witty writing style then I announce my baby rat, Sergio responsible for this satire..I mean he's been around hearing what's being said by everyone and rats are always silent little creatures who pretend to be clueless and WHAM surprise you in the end.

So Bravo Sergio... but next episode can I be less absent-minded and more like the great Dictator that i am? thanks serg

Hey I want to see the video! I really do! Joe you said there was going to be video and pictures.

Prove to the world that you are the superhero you claim to be. Prove it with video and pictures.

The picture above doesn't even show your beautiful face! Come on don't hold out on us. I would DYI but I wasn't there to capture this historic event myself.

When does Joe get back? Does anyone want to organize a homecoming parade or has Mayor Goodman already got that in order? I bet Joe gets the key to the city for this!

Wow I am so excited. Watch out Las Vegas Joe Sacco the SUV slayer is coming home!

Weeeee!

There is no party at my house. I don't even have a house. I live in a canyon somewhere in Utah.

I don't want anyone showing up at my canyon bothering me either. Well its not really "my" canyon but...just leave me alone.

And I would never be a judge on the Anti- Joe Sacco Show. I would just watch from the comfort of my canyon on my Direct TV.

I like it! It was satirical in the best tradition of Swift and Twain--but best of all--whoever wrote it had the courage to be self-relective. And given all the in-fighting as of late, it's a damn fine way of venting steam. Outstanding! Am I to assume my character runs off at the mouth like Data from the first season of Next Gen? Nice.

But whoever said it'd be too far for my character to be eatin' some good ol' fried chicken has a point as well. So long as it's clear in advance what's being witnessed is satire (a disclaimer for those overly sensitive in-fighting leftists out there), it's all good.

sexual preference
by Anonymous, but am I really? Wednesday September 28, 2005 at 12:41 AM

so it's okay for a gay person to bring up sexual preference in a public forum- looking for a hot...

but it's not okay for a straight person to "refer" to the above message?

We gotta have these indymedia rules listed somewhere......

"so it's okay for a gay person to bring up sexual preference in a public forum- looking for a hot...

but it's not okay for a straight person to "refer" to the above message? "

I think I've heard this argument before . . . where was it? . . . Oh yeah, it was in my hometown from a racist piece of white trash explaining that since Dr. Dre and Tupac used the word "nigger" to describe themselves it must be perfectly ok for their white self to use it to in racist jokes. Same argument, same bigotted outlook.

Or maybe from a high school acquaintance who refused to understand that there was a HUGE difference between my referring to myself and my other queer friends as a "bunch of fags," but it still really really wasn't ok for someone else to use it to demean and hurt us.

Do you use it to justify all of your hatemongering?

about this one line:
"Although I also heard that the local anarchists were systematically restricted from expressing their viewpoints- despite all the flyering and outreach they committed to."

this is a part of what one of those kidz wrote to the list:

"I've heard from so many people they enjoyed it and it was a wonderful experience."

actually, joe, it was the local anarchists that did spread their message and weren't censored. i had a brief back and forth with one of my friendz, which she later cleared up. now i want one of those shirtz!! she completely explained it incorrectly, which she will admit. AND it was the anarchist kidz that put the anarchy symbol all over the three bannerz they made -- and ALL the flyerz they designed. nobody told them not to or even tried to. i paid for a bunch of them to get printed!! of course, if an individual in pn put a hammer and sickle on some.. OMG!! all hell wuld break loose and 5000 posts of world domination wuld be posted........................................

remember joe.. it is only those that are outside of pn that are entitied to free speech about their beliefs. pn memberz are not entitled to express their viewz. that is being hostile and violent.

this reminds me of a post someone did here about the last first friday. pn set up a table outside of blank canvas (thanks, folks!). neway, we at the meeting decided to let ne leftist org that wanted to leave literatue to do so. well, two individual ppl decided to leave rcp literature. how was this reported back by the 'in' crowd - that pn set up a communist table. completely false!! nobody else brought nething.. what the hell shuld we have done? said they culdnt have their literature? and im NOT a member of the rcp, btw (just fyi). also, the table was mostly filled with pn flyerz -- that too wasnt mentioned. yet another spin to make pn look bad. alwayz the same crap. i even was collecting flyerz from kidz that were flyerin and putting them on the table.. yet that wasnt mentioned. just the commie literature was!! itz such bullshit.

i dont remember who wrote that (prolly was annon) neway.. but it reminded me of this same kind of thing. presenting a viewpoint a certain way. my suggestion is that if thingz like that are gonna be said, get a little more info. of course, im not trying to stop freedom of speech (here we go by my saying that!!! world domination coming to vegas soon!!) just become a bit more informed on what u r speaking of. the 'in' crowd of non-mindless ppl can easily get those two same loud kidz that hate pn so much to talk bad bout pn. but ask some of the OTHER kidz too. ask the majority of them.. thatz all. then report what u find. if pn hampered them.. sobeit. note it. those two arent the only kidz out there!! trust me!!

im done. come see the pix when u get back. i def got some good onez.

later

rick

this daym site is becoming like a blog!! lol..

about this censoring the kidz bit again -- they designed all these flyerz that PN group completely standz against -- namely violence against otherz. yet they were not censored. some in pn expressed some concern to other pn memberz, but nobody said nething to them..

that statement u made was just plain uninformed, joe. again, this stuff goes on and on.. if yor source is anti-pn to start with, what r u expecting to find when u hear from them?

also, why is that so many of this group hang on the wordz of just two or three kidz? what about the other kidz? dont they count? is someone's opinion worthy of being noted only if itz inline with yor own? i sat and listened to these kidz totally go at it w ea other one nite. im telln u, those 2 or 3 kidz and their viewz were in the minority. and i swear**i swear** i said nothing the whole time. dont kno what the hell to say bout it nemore. the FACT is those 2-3 kidz wanted ALL the kidz to have nothing to do with this event; and they and their reasoning behind that were completely smashed in debate. that fact was shown when those same kidz showed up.. and, as u noted, helped flyer.

so, yeah. there ARE other kidz in this town besides them. and they were there and supported it all along.

itz the same with pn. all u hear is commie talk. has neone done a commie head count lately? or does the majority once again not count?

sorry bout the tangent. i just saw my kidz bust their asses for this event and to have liberalz not even acknowledge their view point sux!! i guess thatz better than the last time all the liberalz attacked them after march 19..

oh! thatz right! that never happened. it was just a small little incident.. i keep forgetting that!! btw joe, u hung with those kidz then and i remember it well. that was kool. hang with them now. let their voices be heard too... freedom for ALL individualz, not just the loud onez..

now come look at the daym picturez at my house before i launch into another tanget.. and itz WAY past my bedtime.. lol..

sounds familiar
by sounds familiar Wednesday September 28, 2005 at 08:08 AM

Nobody called anyone a fag in the above satire.

Why is Joe often referred to as multiple people? Like he's so great that he gets to be plural? Or are there invisible people hanging around him that are perceived to have done said or thought the same things as Joe just from being near him?

Can everyone agree that making assumptions about groups of people is the wrong way to work together? Joe? Rick? Everyone?

Great satire, by the way. Laughing at ourselves is really necessary!!!!!!! I'm sure anyone could figure out a way to get offended from it, but I appreciate it for its truths and inaccuracies.......

Regarding the whole inaccuracy of reporting based on hearsay, check out what went on in reports about the aftermath of Katrina:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002520986_katmyth26.html

"Nobody called anyone a fag in the above satire."

Not in those words, no.
But a straight person wrote a satire aimed to make fun and mockery of several people, and chose to include one persons minority sexuality as one of the barbs.
When a mockery uses the minority sexuality of someone as a barb or attack, which is what was done here, it is the same thing as a skinnhead yelling "FAG!."
As well as all the obvious sexism from the rest of the article.
Whomever wrote this shows themselves to be a bigot. Period.
I have and will probably continue to occasionaly make fun of and tease my friends and comrades here, like, Saab, Jason, Alana, Christina, Dave . . .

But I never have and never will use their minority status which I don't share to attack them. I'm white. I won't mock Saab for being black. Or Christina for being Korean. I'm not female, I won't mock anyone for being female. I won't mock my Jewish friends for being Jewish. And I ask your bigotted self to refrain from mocking me and my friends for being queer.

Fuck you and your bigot self.

And you are a coward afraid to even reveal your identity. A coward and a bigot.

Mikeal,

In one breath you claim to know that the writer of the "Anti-Joe Sacco Show" satire is a straight person.

In the next breath you complain that the writer has remained anonymous.

I'm confused.

What I am understanding from you is this: If the writer was a homosexual AND posted the note under their true name, there would be no claim of homophobia here. Is this what you are saying?

Just trying to clarify.

JOE

1) I appologize that my last post here was a little more heated and personal than it really needed to be. In retrospect I regret that, though that doesn't change that I'm upset.

2) I don't know who wrote the original message, but someone does. I believe whomever wrote under "anonymous but am i really" knows who wrote it, and was correctly identifying them as straight. Mind you, I do not know that for sure obviously. But I strongly suspect.

3) Knowing the person's identity might allow for another interpertation of what was written, yes, though not knowing who wrote it I don't know what effect that would have. The reality is that the source of a statement does affect its meaning, or at least its impact. What might be ok for Dr. Dre or Tupac to say about another black man would be entirely different if the exact same words were used by a white person.

Let's try to imagine that the poster of the "ANTI JOE SACCO SHOW" had the best of intentions.

Let's just pretend they had no malicious intent at all. They were simply attempting to bring a little humor to the scene.

Everyone has a right to their emotions, yes- but, as the author is the illusive, anonymous "Poe"- and nobody can find out their intent or identity, might as well drop the subject.

Comedians make fun of all sorts of people all the time. They do sometimes come from a position of racism or hate, but often they are just out for a laugh at OUR expense. Enough said.

Peace!

what are the report numbers? i want to see if a report was even taken for this alleged accident with pedestrian struck.

hey ya'll, wa'sup? i just read this piece i think it's kinda hilarious! sorry, i don't mean to be disrespectful but whoever wrote has some talent. that said, it seems to me the purpose of this forum might be better served if it was less of a blog-like format and more about comments on the news posts. just my silly little opinion! joe, i do hope you are alright after your little ride there.

salaam, shalom, peace, jp

Thanks for chiming in! LVIMC IS a Blog. MY blog. Just kidding... LOL, or am I?

Yeah, we're working on making Indymedia better... You know how it goes- It's a long process, but people are trying to get things going. We'll see.

Hope you're still having a good time "up there".

:)

JOE

u made an excellent point there, especially with # 3, mikeal. way to lay it out there..

Why did this never make any news? Could it be more of the Sacco publicity show that Indymedia has turned into?